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I am You Hee-yeol, MC.
I am Haha, MC.
I'm Sandara Park, YG's advertising executive.
This is YG.
Byung-jae wasn't it.
I'm Seo Jang-hoon, the realist and bitter talker who always says the truth.
Wow. He definitely still feels like a celebrity.
I'm Im Kyung-seon, writer of love stories.
- Oh. - There's a European feel.
The courageous have come out to talk.
- On Wednesday night, - Busking with words,
- this is As I Say! - this is As I Say!
(As I Say)
- Today we have a very diverse mix of people with us. - Yes.
Let's start with Sandara, who we haven't seen for a while.
Recently, there was a rumor about you and G-Dragon dating.
- Congratulations. - Congratulations.
Wow, it happened to be with G-Dragon, too.
- He's the best. - Huge story.
- What happened? - I went to the Big Bang concert as an advertising executive.
Then we went to the wrap-up party. Then G-Dragon was like,
"This is just a concept!"
We didn't think articles would turn out like this.
Or other stories saying, "G-Dragon is a head rocker."
- It's a shame. - I've experienced those sites a lot, so I know.
- It's complete chaos. - I bet it was.
You were at a lot of protest sites, weren't you?
- This time... - That's right.
Im Kyung-seon...
is actually a good friend of mine.
We've done radio together for a long time.
If we're being honest,
we only contact each other when we have a favor to ask.
That's when we call.
- But the thing is... - Totally business minded.
- It's a totally business relationship. - Like when I put out a book.
We contact each other once or twice a year.
When Kyung-seon calls, she asks for a recommendation.
She'll ask me to write her a recommendation.
When I call Kyung-seon, I ask her to book me a ryokan in Japan.
Not a lot of people know.
- It's a business relationship. - It's all about the business.
- I really like her. - You're very...
We really don't make it a big deal.
- We just talk comfortably. I think that's great. - Of course.
- Wow. - It's already cold.
- It's not warm. It's not a warm feeling. - She's cold.
That's a code that I like.
All right.
She crossed over the pop world with her bouncy and fresh appeal.
She works in acting and variety shows. She's an all-around entertainer.
It's Sandara Park!
So I came to know...
that you've really been wanting to meet me.
We're familiar with one another.
CL and I video called him at the end of the year and we talked.
- He was so... - You video called with CL?
- With me. - Why?
- We just wanted to see him. - It's because...
- it was after the music awards. - That's right. It was that day.
- After the music awards, CL and she... - It didn't understand why you hosted that.
I saw him on TV enjoying it too much, doing the dab dance and what not.
It was so bad, I recorded the whole thing. Why did you do that?
(One person stands out amongst the young people.)
(Dab)
It was so fun. It was really so exciting.
- We thought of him while we were watching that. - Oh.
You think of your elders a lot, Sandara.
Sandara is really kind.
- She is nice. - She's shockingly nice.
Yang Hyun-suk has recognized you as the hardest worker.
When I came into YG, because my skills were inadequate,
he would always deny it. He would put out articles,
"Sandara is not affiliated with YG."
"She will never debut," is what he said.
But once we debuted, he told me,
"You're the hardest worker of the four,"
"and you made the impossible possible."
So it was much more touching.
Was it difficult for 2NE1 to really get going?
Yes, it was really difficult in the beginning.
I really loved 2NE1,
but there was some disappointing news.
- It was shocking. - Wasn't it disappointing to you as well?
Of course. It was shocking.
At first I denied it, then I was depressed.
Now I've accepted it, and here I am.
You all have come a long seven years together.
How are you with the other members these days?
Actually, it's the same as when we were together.
I met and talked with the members more than anyone else.
We would encourage together. Even now we eat and chat.
My best friends are still here.
Recently, you guys put out your last song.
When there was only three of us left,
CL wrote her heart into this song called "Goodbye".
It wasn't able to make it on the album,
and we disbanded.
Since this song is a message we really want to give to the fans,
we would really like to put this out.
We want to give this as a final gift to the fans.
Our boss agreed.
So Bom and I recorded it again.
The song was completed.
(A final "Goodbye" to the fans)
So at today's busking,
will you be confessing your sentiments about 2NE1's breakup?
Well since it was a team...
and it's not only my story, so there're parts to be careful of.
I will just express my own personal feelings about it.
As she's talking about this, Sandara's eyes...
are getting teary.
I've already cried everything out, so I'm okay now.
I've never really cried over a boy.
But I cried a lot because of Hee-yeol.
(This man made Sandara cry.)
Nothing is forever in this world.
(I'm not needed on this team.)
(Tearful post-breakup confession)
Seo Jang-hoon for the extra point.
It goes in!
He's a legend in Korean basketball.
This man's records don't get broken.
From a nationally treasured center to now a nationally treasured entertainer,
He's continuing on with his second legend.
Seo Celeb, a total celebrity, Seo star!
It's Seo Jang-hoon
(The live celeb, Seo Jang-hoon)
- Excuse me. - Scream!
(- Excuse me. - Scream!)
Take it easy. Take it easy.
Seo Jang-hoon is now a member of the honor society for those that have donated...
- at least 100,000 dollars to charity. - That's awesome.
- The star of such generous news, Seo Jang-hoon! - So cool.
You're walking Yu Jae-seok's path.
He's totally planning on taking the spot.
- That's so cool. - I was afraid it would be like this.
That's why I was going to do it anonymously.
So why are you announcing it so extensively this time?
It wasn't extensively announced.
I did it quietly.
You were the one that gave us the press photo.
- Not at all. - You didn't?
No, I didn't. Since I was young,
- outside the court... - That's right.
- I was always like this. - Really honorable...
- and selfless. - My friends and I would always talk about these things.
It's always been like that.
- Always helping troubled friends. - Why are you so loud?
(Why are you so loud?)
- Why are you so loud? - Seriously.
When Jang-hoon first came on TV,
- he said he's not a celebrity. - He's not.
I kept saying that he wasn't a celebrity.
So we started calling him Seo Celeb.
Now how many programs are you on?
- I'm on five right now. - Wow.
- Weren't you doing nine at one point? - No.
- Haha asked me on this show. - You guys are close.
He called me and I just showed up.
The situation flowed this way without really intending it to.
To people who don't know, especially the younger people may not know...
Are there people who don't know you played basketball?
The younger people don't really know.
Sometimes when I'm with him, people will shout, "It's Choi Hong-man!"
(Loathing)
Don't keep on lying.
Stop lying.
He's really smart.
Out of all my older friends that I hung out with...
he's got the best education.
I told you that I entered the university as an athlete.
How many times did I tell you? I got into Yonsei on a special scholarship.
- As an athlete. - I didn't get in by taking tests.
- I did graduate from Yonsei University. - I'm proud of that.
At the end of last year, Jang-hoon...
He won the Award of Excellence at the Entertainment Awards.
(Winner of the Award of Excellence at the Entertainment Awards)
The thing is...
One thing that stood out about his acceptance speech,
he especially pointed out Haha.
Thanking Haha.
- Why did you do that? - I've been wanting to...
talk about this on air at some point.
Honestly, the first person to recognize me was Haha.
When Haha was first starting out on TV...
- He led you? - More than lead, he cheered me on.
He supported me.
If there was something I didn't know about,
Haha would be like my teacher,
- like my mentor. - Haha is a mentor?
(Like my mentor?)
(Haha was Seo Celeb's secret mentor.)
Where did he go?
(The mentor has returned.)
Hey, come here. Sit down.
Have a seat.
- Haha is your mentor? - I'm so embarrassed.
That's right. Well the word mentor...
could be considered in many different ways.
When I have a concern about something, I ask Haha.
That's enough! That's enough!
- I'm curious. - No!
Among younger colleagues, he's really a famous person.
There's word that Haha's actually the hand behind Korea's entertainment.
There's also a rumor that you have Jae-seok in your hand. Is that right?
- He's that kind of person. - He already looks different.
- This is ridiculous. - All right!
What will you be talking about today?
What I want to talk about, it may be careless,
but our society cheers each other on...
only with our mouths too much.
We talk about dreams and hopes.
I won't be talking about that.
Using my experience as background,
- being tougher on ourselves is what I want talk about. - Nice.
Smart. You're definitely a Yonsei grad.
- I was a student athlete. - Next is...
a dating counsel and a life coach,
Writer Im Kyung-seon.
As I have mentioned,
- we became friends since we were on a radio show. - Yes.
He's like a mentor for radio show for me.
- This is too corny. - What are you talking about?
I'm just telling the truth.
I was on the radio show as a guest, and Hee-yeol was the DJ.
After that experience, I wasn't able to go on...
any other radio shows even if I was asked to be on the shows...
because of the memories I had with Hee-yeol.
- For radio shows. - It was unforgettable.
- I haven't seen a DJ like him in my life. - Oh, my.
- I'm sorry, but... - You must be really good, Hee-yeol.
- My standard has been raised because of him. - Excuse me.
- I'm sorry, but... - Yes.
Saying that you weren't able to go on other radio shows...
- after your experience with him... - Yes.
can be taken in a slightly different way.
- It sounds scandalous. - Exactly.
It could be a scandal.
You can't let go of the memories you've shared with Hee-yeol,
and that's why you can't go on other radio shows.
- I'm really... - That's how good he is.
- I'm really curious about this. - Yes.
- You've been on the radio show for a very long time. - For three and a half years.
- What kind of person is Hee-yeol? - I'm so embarrassed.
- What kind of person is he? - I've also written an article on Hee-yeol.
- And... - You've written something?
It was for...
(I can't handle it anymore.)
Come back here. Hee-yeol.
I can't stand it anymore.
(This is not what he expected.)
Go on. We're listening intently.
Hee-yeol is...
a very thoughtful. At the same time,
he observes people around you very keenly...
- and watches them with detailed eyes. - You're amazing.
He's good at getting people to talk.
You seem too much like a fan of him.
- Are you like his biggest fan or something? - It's not like that.
You must be an incredible person, Hee-yeol.
She was known for...
counseling on radio shows for three and a half years.
What kind of counseling did you mostly do?
- Dating counseling for young people, - That sounds fun.
- and among those were mostly about break-ups. - Right, break-ups.
Break-up is something everyone experiences,
- Right. - and it could be painful.
How about you, Sandara?
I think that break-ups are harder than starting a relationship,
- so that's why I don't have many experiences. - Right.
Many men do approach me.
- I see. - I see.
Some say that I could just start a relationship,
and I could break up if I don't like him,
but what I want to know is how to announce the break-ups.
I don't use fancy words for break-ups.
- It's better that way. - Say that you're ill.
- That you're sick? - Yes, that you're ill.
- That's so funny. - I'm serious.
- I'd say... - What do you mean by that?
- It's the most... - You told them your health is getting worse?
- Isn't that the lamest excuse ever? - No, no.
- I'd say that my health is getting worse... - Right.
- and that... - You can't see her anymore.
I can't see her. I'm prohibited of outdoor activities.
I've never heard of such things.
- You haven't? - That's such a lie, though.
- It is a lie. - Yes.
- I don't understand. - I'd tell them I'm ill.
- What would you do if your girlfriend is ill? - I'd...
- go through it together. - I can't even get out of the house, though.
What if she says that she'll take care of you?
I use my parents as my excuse then.
What if she says that she really wants to?
I'd say that I'm way too ill for that.
- After you tell her that... - Does it work though?
- the girlfriend sees you... - Would this work on a girlfriend?
and catches you outside?
- Then I get caught. - What would you do when you're caught?
I'd tell her I'm on a walk.
- And that you're on your way back home? - I came out for grocery shopping.
What if you're completely wasted?
That wouldn't happen. I'd act carefully after a break-up.
Very carefully.
From a woman's perspective,
telling her that the relationship is not working is good enough.
You know the things people do after a break-up.
You've broken with your girlfriend a week ago,
and you message your ex-girlfriend two in the morning saying, "Are you awake?".
- It's not good, right? - I ignore it.
Another is...
- when you're wasted, - Yes.
and you message her, "I ended up at your place."
When did you do such things?
- When? - I thought that...
Hee-yeol was a very trendy person.
I thought he was one of the most trendy people.
I didn't expect that from you.
"I ended up at your place."
Since we're talking a lot about break-ups,
do you want to get a counseling from her?
- Go ahead if you want. - Are you talking to me?
- Break-ups.... - He's known for his break-ups.
- Right. - We have a counsel here for you.
Unintentionally, I've become known for break-ups.
I would have...
used the break-ups as a topic for my busking,
- but I couldn't. - Break-ups of adults are different, you know.
There are documents and other complicated things involved.
Oh, no.
(So sad)
(We'll come back to that next time.)
- It's... - I'm sorry for laughing.
- There are different types of break-ups. - Right.
From what I think,
- I don't need counseling for break-ups... - Right.
- because I've gone through a real break-up. - That's right.
- What kind of counseling would you like, then? - I have a few questions for him.
- Do you have anyone in your mind? - In my mind?
I don't have energy for that.
Are you not feeling well?
- Yes, I am. - You're ill.
I'm not feeling well at all.
- I see. - Do you have to go back home?
- My whole body aches. - I see.
I see.
I'm not going to talk about dreams or hopes.
I was very strict on myself.
Are you strict on yourself while in a relationship?
(Feeling dizzy)
(Break-up Expert talks all about his own breakup.)
(With topics in our hand,)
(let's go to the Busking Zone.)
Hello.
Wow.
- Through the Door of As I say, - Yes.
we've arrived at Hongdae Street.
(Today's Busking Zone is on Hongdae Street.)
- For the first time, the busking will be held at a lease building. - Right.
- First of all, we have the owner of the building here. - He's very kind.
How do you like it?
It's a very nice building, but why is it all empty?
I think the building is emptied out...
- for As I say. - Right.
- Why don't we go in since many people are waiting for us? - Yes.
- Let's go. - Let's go.
- Thank you. - Thank you.
- You're so handsome. - Hello.
- Thank you. - Thank you.
- Hello. - Wow.
- There are so many people. - Right.
- I guess we're popular now. - It wasn't like this before.
Do you guys know what we are called by?
- Ha Hee-yeol. - Ha Hee-yeol.
- We've done it. - What did they say?
- They said Ha Hee-yeol. - We've succeeded.
- I see. - That's what we are called by.
- First of all... - We need to decide on the order.
- Yes, we'll be deciding on the order of busking. - Yes.
- Firstly, we'll go with the hottest celebrity. - Yes.
Sandara from 2NE1 will be first.
(Sandara Park, Seo Jang-hoon, Im Kyung-seon)
Please turn loose on busking for us.
- We'll begin with... - Yes.
Sandara's busking for As I say.
Thank you.
- Why don't we go back to the waiting area? - Let's go.
- Good luck! - Go, Sandara!
(Excited)
(Busking Zone on the first floor)
(Waiting area on the third floor)
- 2NE1 has officially broken up. - Right.
It could be her first confession on how she feels about that.
- Right. We're anticipating a lot from her busking. - Yes.
I'm sure you have a friend,
in middle school and high school,
- who's closer to you than your family. - We do.
Once you graduate from school,
you're forced to face the farewells.
(Sometime farewells are forced on you.)
That's how I feel these days.
Recently, we officially...
disbanded and...
I'm separated from...
members who are like my family.
As a result,
my life which was centered around 2NE1...
is now centered around...
myself, Sandara Park.
I hope you'll listen to the story of myself...
- looking for a new path in my life. - Right.
What's your favorite song of 2NE1?
There are so many hit songs that...
you're shouting all of them.
If I were to pick my favorites,
they are "Ugly" and "I am the Best".
When I look back on the times I prepared for 2NE1...
and performed as 2NE1 for the last 10 years,
there are times when I was ugly with lack of confidence...
(She felt ugly because she didn't have confidence.)
and there are also times when I became more confident...
with positive mind like in "I am the Best".
("I am the Best")
We debuted in 2009,
we appeared on the show "You Hee-yeol's Sketchbook",
- hosted by Hee-yeol. - That's right.
- It was after her debut. - It was our first appearance on a TV show.
- He's told us something. - Me?
"CL is a rapper,"
"Park Bom is a vocalist,"
"and Minzy is a good dancer."
"Are you the pretty one, Sandara?"
("You Hee-yeol's Sketchbook" in 2009)
Bom is good at singing and that's why she's the main vocalist.
Cl is a rapper.
Being pretty and...
a sub-vocalist is Sandara's role, along with other things.
(Sandara's facial expression was hardened.)
What did you do that for?
Did I... I did.
It was like he exposed somewhat that I was very embarrassed about.
That night, I cried a lot on the rooftop of our place.
She cried on the rooftop!
I'm feel so bad.
Of course, I don't resent Hee-yeol or anything.
At the time, I felt that...
I was like an outsider among 2NE1 members.
(I felt like an outsider.)
Before I debuted as 2NE1,
I got into the entertainment business in Philippines.
I appeared on a Korean show called "Screening Humanity".
On "Screening Humanity", the way I performed in Philippines...
and the way I lived were aired in Korea,
and I was somehow contacted by the agency that I'm with now.
That was how I met the members of 2NE1 there.
Minzy was a 13-year-old dance prodigy.
Bom possessed a unique voice that you can't find in Korea.
Cl was a charismatic rapper.
I wanted to become a team with them,
but my agency recommended me to be an actress.
It's not that I didn't want to act,
but I had a dream of becoming a singer.
I even called Song Baek-kyoung of 1TYM...
to ask how to rap.
I asked G-Dragon about the gestures for hip hop music.
I was just surprised at myself.
Those things were so natural to them,
and I was doing everything I could to learn...
to be with them.
While I wanted to become a part of them,
their debut was already decided.
Without Sandara? I see.
2NE1 could have a three-member group, then.
- I had no idea. I thought she was a part of the team from the beginning. - Right.
I thought Sandara was the ace of the team.
- I thought so, too. - Yes, exactly.
- I thought was the main member. - I had no idea.
I felt despair for the first time in my life.
"There is no way I could a part of the team."
"I don't belong here".
Days passed by, and I got a call one day.
"Where are you, Sandara? You need to come and record a song."
I went to the studio feeling dazed,
and the song I recorded that day was...
a song called "Pretty Boy" in our first mini album.
I was asked to sing the song as a test,
and the president of our agency said, "She sounds fine when recording."
That's the day I was decided to join the team.
(After so much work, she finally joined 2NE1.)
Good for her.
It's true that I got the most attention after our debut,
and many people remembered me because of the palm-tree hair-do.
Many said, "You're the most popular one in 2NE1, right?",
but I wasn't.
The places that tell us how popular we are are...
concert halls or airports.
I've always felt it through shouting or with placards.
(Getting emotional)
At the airports, fans would come near us...
and ask for autobiographies.
(She could feel the difference in popularity.)
I felt...
like an outsider after my debut.
My confidence was gone and I felt timid.
It was as if I wasn't needed for the team.
When I was thinking and crying, Bom walks up to me and says,
"We're not 2NE1 without you."
With the comforting words, I started think more positively.
- Do you like fried chicken? - Yes!
I love fried chicken, too.
Everyone likes different parts of the fried chicken.
Chicken wings or chicken breasts.
I always that I had to become a part of the chicken,
and I thought of becoming something else, the pickled radish.
She decided to become the picked radish,
- instead of the fried chicken. - Pickled radish makes the chicken perfect.
I may be different from the other members,
I can be lively, sweet,
and refreshing like the pickled radish.
That's when I realised you have to be positive to have good things happen to you.
As I was getting used to the happy life,
I now have to face a break-up.
I knew I now needed to stand alone,
but I was so afraid.
I don't want to break up with the other members,
and I wasn’t sure if I could...
do something on my own.
After being the ugly duckling of the team,
through 7 to 8 years of...
performing as a singer, I've become a swan.
I hope we'll be able to...
succeed in different parts of the field.
I would have to work four times harder than before.
Nothing in this world can last forever,
and nothing is also finished for ever.
I'm going to keep...
all the good memories,
and I believe that we'll be...
back together again in the future.
I've been performing for 12 years in total.
I was at my first prime moment in Philippines,
and I've had my second prime moment as 2NE1.
I'm going to the very beginning again,
regardless of the result,
I'll do my best to have my third prime moment.
I hope to show you my hard work and to see you more often.
I'm Sandara Park, awaiting the next prime moment.
(We wish you the best.)
She's just beginning again.
- When you're full of energy, you are in a hurry. - Right.
- That's probably how see feels now. - Yes.
When do you think was your prime moment?
I think it's still coming.
I thought it almost passed by.
(Brutally honest comment)
Only Haha is unaware of it.
(I love you, Haha.)
I didn't get any awards this year and I do feel timid.
- I'm sure you've gone through hard time, - Yes.
how did you come over the hard time?
I get depressed when I'm going through a hard time,
and my self-confidence also got damaged.
I think who's around you is really important.
At a YG Family Concert, I was singing with Gummy.
I was feeling self-conscience,
and Gummy told me, "Your voice is very pure and clean."
She told me, "I love hearing your voice."
I think I got confidence from that.
Tae-yang also told me,
"You need to think more positively,"
"and you'd be better if you talk positively, too."
It was so helpful that I still think about what he'd told me.
CL has always said, "Do you want to perform on stage?"
"You can. You're good at that." She's encouraged me.
With the help of my friends,
I was able to be more confident.
When you're going through a had time,
I think it's a good idea to talk to the people around you.
- There's a new song coming out. - Right.
Can you sing us a part of it for us, please?
It's a spoiler of my album.
(The show was filmed before the release of her album.)
- It'll be a secret. - This is just between us, okay?
I'll sing a part that I like very much, though it's not my part.
"Bye"
(That was it.)
You'll know when you hear it.
(Bye)
"My dear friend"
You really are old.
(Duet of old guys)
How did you feel right after the break-up of 2NE1?
2NE1 is like a puzzle.
Only when all four of us are together,
the whole picture is complete.
I hope to see the whole picture again...
and I'm awaiting the moment.
At first, since I'm not 2NE1 anymore,
I didn't know how to introduce myself.
I want to be known as Sandara Park of 2NE1.
Just because the team is broken up,
the fact that I was 2NE1 disappears.
I'm going to keep the title of 2NE1 which I adore,
and I want to remain orange-colored,
like this mic. It was my color in 2NE1.
I want to be happy and lively.
There's also sexiness in the color orange as well.
I hope to show you the best of me.
There's a collection box.
Even though it's for a good cause,
I won't force you to donate.
However, if you could relate to my story,
please donate. I'd really appreciate that.
Thank you.
(Sandara's busking is over.)
I'm not sure.
- Take a seat. - Wow, Sandara.
(You did a great job.)
I see.
I didn’t know.
It was cold, right?
I didn't feel the coldness at all.
I guess I was nervous. My lips felt so dry.
Actually, I've only sang on stage. I've never given a speech.
But to tell my story for this long...
I kept worrying that they might be bored.
But they listened well so I'm grateful.
This is the third golden age of her life. We'll see what unfolds and cheer her on.
- Thank you. - Good luck.
Currently, it's 5:45pm.
Today, "Knowing Bros" made tumblers...
and cellphone cases. - They're like...
- idols. - They sell cellphone cases.
To those who ask good questions,
I'll give those items.
Would you want to buy a Seo Jang-hoon tumbler?
Wouldn't it be this huge then?
Okay, then.
- Hey, Jang-hoon. - Yes?
- What are you doing? - Do I have to go out now?
- Go out. - Yes.
Good luck, Seo Celeb.
(Seo Celeb heads into the busking zone.)
(Cheering)
(Bowing)
Hello. I am the realist in "Knowing Bros"...
in the role of bitter talker who makes honest comments only. I am Seo Jang-hoon.
I actually enjoy watching As I Say.
When I was first asked to appear, I contemplated a lot.
It's because the current age...
for youths in particular...
talk about dreams and hopes...
all the time. They constantly talk about it.
There are many trends like that, right?
But I'm not good at talking about such things...
and what I actually think...
is that just saying "I'm cheering for you, be strengthened"...
is meaningless.
(Laughing)
- His real character is coming out. - The mood is different.
(As a celeb, he uses his hit lines.)
What meaning would be in saying those cheers?
That's what I think.
So today, I do...
not plan to talk about dreams and hopes to you.
When you hear what I say,
it might not be so heart-warming.
I titled it, "Between Cold and Hot".
The students are even taking notes.
- It's amazing. They even take notes? - They really are.
Actually, I was originally a representative of Korea...
as a basketball player.
I made the most shots in the history of Korean pro basketball...
out of all Korean citizens.
(Awe)
You didn't know that, right?
It was also by a huge margin.
That’s how I bought a building.
I don't know how many shots I've made up to now,
but the total score is about 13,000 points.
I was a professional athlete for 15 years.
You can get that score if you score 20 points every day of 15 years.
It's really unbelievable.
(In other words, it's an amazing record.)
Scoring around 20 points on average means...
that on that day...
you should be highly praised.
I had scored enough to have 20 points for every day of 15 years...
from the first day until the my retirement day.
After our country started to have non-Korean players,
there were so many athletes whose positions became indefinite.
But amidst all that, he held his place. That's really incredible.
- Almost all non-Korean players were center players. - It's amazing.
As I previously said, I scored more than others...
by a huge margin. So,
I became famous and now I'm even a television personality.
But it was really not easy to get to this place.
It was really hard.
Ever since I decided basketball will be my career...
and dreamt as a kid, I've only had one dream in my life.
Be a truly dominating...
player that no one can even come near. That was my dream.
(Cries of awe)
(The giant's dream gives us shivers.)
It wasn't just to rank as number one.
I wanted to be an athlete no one can even come near.
To become that,
I can't say I'm the person who made the most effort and and practiced the most.
But most likely, I had something others didn't have.
I endlessly...
evaluated myself really coldly, asking myself, "Why didn't I do better?"
It was for the whole time I was a pro athlete.
When I was a pro athlete,
I scored about 20 points in a game one day.
They usually write articles about you when you score 20 points.
It'd highly praise the player, talking about the score.
But not once in 15 years after a game...
did I leave satisfied with my performance.
Even if the coach and my friends say I did well,
I always regretted a ton.
I'd think, "If I hadn't done that dumb thing today,"
"I could've scored 30 or 40 instead of 20 points."
"Why didn't I do better?" I'd watch and re-watch the video at night.
I always self-reflected.
Every game, I alone...
played to the point I felt like I'm in war.
I lived very fiercely...
and endlessly beat myself up when I was alone.
Even on days when I scored 30 or 40 points,
I'd say to myself, "If this is all I can do, until the day I retire,"
"I'll only be a so-so athlete."
I thought that endlessly.
I'd think, "When I play tomorrow, I will not do the foolish thing I did today."
I'd reflect once more.
He has an iron will.
He had a really severe herniated disc.
- But if he got surgery, he'd have to pause from the games. - Right.
So he didn't get a surgery and just played with a neck protector.
If he fell back, he'd have to stop playing for the rest of his life.
But for him, stopping is not an option.
That’s why he constantly wore that, I see.
It became a kind of symbol of him.
- The neck protector became a symbol for him. - Right.
It was a critical condition. He was really pushing himself to the limit to play.
(Traces of his extreme efforts)
So, my basketball career wasn't very...
joyful and happy for me...
because it was so hard every single day.
They often say on television that I'm obsessively clean...
in how I'm neat. All of that came from my time as a player.
Why did I develop it?
It was because if I want to be that good,
I had to have the heart of a warrior heading out to war.
I must make my room...
cleanly organized. I must clean my body the same way.
It was in the heart of a seeker of truth.
Making everything sacred in approaching the day's game...
grew bigger and bigger and now...
combined many habits into an obsession.
So now, even after retiring, I'm the same.
That’s where it came from, I see.
Everything came from that.
Every day, I always woke up and ate at the same time.
I went to the bathroom and washed myself at the same time.
I wore the same clothes and shoes every day.
In the heart that makes me feel most comfortable...
was how I went to every game.
I wanted to, even if it was so extreme.
My heart was desperate for it.
When I lost, I threw out the uniform I wore.
I never wore that uniform again.
It's weird,
- but I wanted to. It was because I was scared I'd lose again. - He's so cool.
You know free throws, right?
Before I went for a shot,
I dribbled the ball three times.
The ball then made it in.
From then on, I only dribbled three times until I didn't make the shot.
But then one day, it doesn't make it in. Then it'd be a different number.
Then I'd dribble seven times every time I went for that shot.
If it didn't make it once, I'd switch to another number.
I know it sounds crazy.
It sounds like nonsense. But that's how much I wanted to make the shot.
I played with that heart.
Not anyone can live like that.
Actually, due to his perfectionism,
players around him even had hard times.
Right.
There's something I said when I retired.
I said, "For the rest of my life,"
"I will really..."
"regret." I said I'll regret for the rest of my life.
I thought, "If I had taken care of my body a little better that time."
"If only I had put in more effort."
"If only I had drank less alcohol."
If I did, I wouldn't have gotten 13,000 points...
but even 20,000 points.
I regretted so much once I quit...
because even if I want to do more, I can't.
So, whenever I see a basketball game on television,
I think, "In the past,"
"when I was fit and young, I should have done better."
I can't enjoy watching the games...
even though it's been nearly four years since I retired.
(His last game on March 19th, 2013)
All this time, within the limits of my abilities,
I made efforts to do my best.
But I don't think I satisfied your high expectations.
I'm sorry about that.
(It's the last day of his basketball career that was fiercer than any other's.)
(The words he chose to say were...)
("I'm sorry I didn't do better.")
(But here's Seo Jang-hoon in our memories.)
There are 2.9 seconds left in the game.
It's a tie with 78 against 78.
Seo Jang-hoon takes the ball.
He turns around and does the fade away!
Seo Jang-hoon did it!
- Seo Jang-hoon did it! - It was incredible.
That was Seo Jang-hoon's Buzzer Beater!
He strikes an iron rod into today's victory.
(He always gave us the best of victories.)
(He's our national treasure center, Seo Jang-hoon.)
I want to tell you this.
There's no need for everyone to live with that mindset.
Every person's own goal...
or standard of happiness is different.
Everyone has different standards.
But whatever you do,
those who think, "I will achieve the best results ever."
"I will be a master."
"I will be the best." Those who think like that,
I think what I said could help you a little.
To get closer to your dream,
I believe you must be absolutely cold and objective about yourself.
That's from my own experience.
However much someone near you says, "You're really good,"
"That was good enough," and...
"Good luck. Cheer up."
If you're satisfied with just that,
you will never grow.
It's something only someone who walked that path can say.
You know the words, "I am still hungry," said by soccer coach Hiddink.
You must be constantly hungry and yearning for something...
to step up in your abilities.
We often say, "We opened the champagne too early."
Champagnes become more valuable the longer you leave it unopened.
Right?
Hold back a bit on opening the champagne.
I said the title for my talk is "Between Cold and Hot", right?
The hot passion that you have...
should be kept as it is.
But in evaluating yourself,
be really coldly objective...
and ruthlessly strict.
If you do, between that coldness and hotness,
the goals you want to achieve...
could be much easily achieved.
That's why, although I may be out of line, I said what I said.
Thank you.
(This busking was derived from his own life.)
Athlete Seo Jang-hoon, we can sense your sincerity.
Actually, when he was a athlete, Seo Jang-hoon just...
seemed like a fighting cock. He seemed to have no manners.
I thought, "He plays well but why is he like that? I can't like him."
But I didn't know he was that fiercely fighting throughout his life.
The time when I was most diligent in my life...
was when I decided I'll enter a music university as a high school senior.
I had to take the entrance exam but had no piano at home.
- How could that be? - I didn't have it.
My family wasn't financially well-off.
I had no piano but I had to practice, right?
So for about 2 or 3 months,
I practiced on a piano made of paper.
- No way. - I practiced what I could memorize with that.
Then we did get a piano.
But my goal started to require so much money from my family.
I realized it's my debt.
If I fail, my family would crumble.
I was the most diligent then because of that sense of responsibility.
So that piano...
was a second-hand one but I could never sell it.
So now, my nephew uses that piano.
I really didn't know about that.
- My face looks so posh so you wouldn't think that. - I thought you were posh.
(His posh identity just pours out.)
I'll take questions now.
(Everybody puts his or her hand up.)
There are so many.
Everyone's so passionate.
(Look!)
I brought this because...
those who ask questions that satisfy me,
I will give this as a gift.
The tumbler in Jang-hoon's hand...
- It looks like a paper cup. - Wasn't that a mini-yogurt?
(Cute)
I'm honored to meet the unparalleled...
national treasure center player of Korea.
(Totally satisfied)
It's been so long since I heard that comment.
When I heard that, I tear up.
It's an honor for me.
You said we must be coldly objective about yourself.
But was there ever a moment when you really needed a compliment?
I was like that when I was young.
When I was young,
at first I was really bad at basketball so I was going to quit.
But after I became quite a prospective player,
being taken by compliments...
or such didn't really happen much.
Near the end...
- you had a hard time because of your injury. - Right.
Didn't you need a warm word of encouragement then?
No. That time...
He's so firm.
I'm actually really like this.
It's the first time someone cut off a question on our show.
Not as a basketball player nor a television personality,
do you have anything you want to achieve as just a human being?
I want to live happily.
I really never once lived happily.
Now, I'm in variety shows.
Then how do I live now?
At first, I just did it.
Someone requested for me so I'd just go...
and then just come back home.
But then I thought, even this...
must be something I should try my best in with a sense of responsibility.
It was because of this. There are many staff members in the back and the front.
For them, this is a war.
Just like how I played basketball,
for them, this is their war.
But if a participant...
thinks, "I just have to appear briefly and then go home."
I was so sorry to do it with that mindset.
Wow.
(Moved)
It's true.
But it's a bit different from basketball.
My heart is a bit more at ease...
compared to when I played basketball.
But if every player had Seo Jang-hoon's mindset...
and played, nothing would work out.
Also, in variety shows, if everyone was like Yoo Jae-seok...
- it'd be too hard. - OF course.
To me, Hee-yeol...
is a truly great center.
(You're the world's best center player.)
Stop exaggerating so much.
By any chance, for a happier life, what about love?
(What about love in the future?)
(Scared)
(He almost risked his life to ask that.)
That was...
He's not throwing it, right?
- That's amazing. - Did you say "love"?
Yes.
Actually, love isn't something...
I have the right to talk about.
Later, if I get the chance,
I'll think about it then.
- Hello. - Yes.
Because he asked about love,
there's something I wanted to ask.
- She's doing well. - She's doing well.
Squeeze the answer out of him.
Are you coldly objective with yourself even in dating?
I'll give it to you.
(Respect)
She's the best.
(You're the best!)
(She must be a pro question-asker.)
(Looks up to her)
Do I even have the right to talk about this?
I keep thinking, is there any meaning to do so?
But in that matter, I was not that...
harsh with myself.
(Dating is an exception for even him.)
Right now, I'm a sophomore in high school.
When I was a freshmen, I think I did my best...
but high expectations changed into pressure for me.
My friends who are better than me...
just make me feel an inferiority complex.
I feel smaller and smaller.
So could you coldly, objectively,
tell me an advice?
You don't need a cold advice.
You just have to change the wording. It isn't an inferiority complex...
but your motivation. You just have to think it like that.
You now have a good goal to strive for.
It's a step you can go higher on to.
With your friends' level as your goal,
think, "I'll be at those friends' level soon." It's simple when you think like that.
Just change that one word.
If you just change that, the way you think will change.
Thank you.
I really appreciate you all sitting here to listen to me speak.
Thank you!
("Between Cold and Hot" by Seo Jang-hoon)
He's back. Wow!
(Seo Jang-hoon comes back.)
- Well done. - I didn't know.
I'm curious about something.
What was the first goal you made in your life?
In eighth grade,
I played basketball for a year.
There's something called "garbage time".
It's when the score difference is so huge already.
- It's just a matter of time. - As time was passing,
they put me in, the lowest level rookie among the rookies.
They usually put the rookies in at that point.
One of the senior players that I ran with at the the time...
gave me a chance saying, "Hey, put one in."
No one...
had any interest,
no one in that entire place.
But that day, seriously,
I went home and my chest was pounding.
- I couldn't sleep. - So cool.
It's like a movie.
I was so happy. I still remember that feeling.
The pounding in the chest.
Then...
when was Seo Jang-hoon's last basket of his career?
This was the last day before retirement.
My knee hurt so badly.
It hurt so much. I couldn't run.
Players know that...
you know whether not the shot is going in the moment it leaves your fingers.
But when I shot it, it wasn't going in for sure.
This off shot curved and went in.
- And it was a bad shot? - They would go in like this,
- and like this. They were just going in. - One after another.
That day, I scored the most points of that year.
- I scored 33 points. - Wow, really?
But afterward, I thought to myself...
- maybe I was being allowed to finish my career... - You were blessed.
looking good. That's what I really felt.
That one day out of my entire life...
that I really can't make sense of.
Well now the third busker is Im Kyung-seon.
- That's right. What's she doing? - Get out there.
(What are you doing? Get out there!)
That was sexy.
- My wife says you're sexy like that. - Oh, really?
Hello.
(Im Kyung-seon enters the busking zone.)
My name is Im Kyung-seon.
I like to write. I'm a writer.
She's a best seller writer right now.
Five years ago, I have experience working...
with Yoo Hee-yeol on the radio as VJ and Guest.
(As Old Man Hee-yeol and Catwoman)
Are you interested in talking about love and relationships?
- Yes! - Yes!
(Very interested)
Today, I have a special love story.
It's about parting with someone you love.
I will tell you this story today.
This is an official relationship busking.
We haven't really had a proper busking about relationships. It's a first.
- I will be able to start dating after watching this. - That's right.
Usually, while we are in love...
we don't really talk about the idea of splitting up.
Because my love is so special.
I'm here with this person and we are in love.
How could a breakup happen to me?
We try to deny this truth.
The idea separation can't exist in the concept of my relationship.
That Choi Sung-won song from a long time ago.
There's no such thing
as a farewell
It's like they're suddenly Sugarman.
I've never heard that before.
If we imagine what love would be like with farewell,
it would be the same thing as living without ever dying.
That's why love and separation always go together,
like the two sides of a coin.
That's what I'm thinking.
(Separation gives love meaning.)
If you flip this idea of separation, it's the certainty of love.
It's the certainty of love.
But when can you be certain of love?
Someone who really puts in effort to see the other person, no matter what obstacles there are.
- That's right. - Saying I love you...
means I want to see you.
When you really love someone, no matter what obstacles there are,
no matter how busy,
even if one lived in Sanbon and the other in Uijeongbu,
he would take her home. She would come see him.
- That's it. - That's right.
- No matter how tired... - No matter how busy...
if you really love someone, you will make a way to see them.
- After this is over, you could go all the way down to Busan. - Of course.
Japan is possible as well.
Even get stowed away to go.
If we flip it around, what happens when love cools off?
The willingness to see the other person will decrease.
- I'm pretty busy today. - Right.
I'm pretty tired today.
Trying not to see the other person...
is a sign that the love is already cooling off.
The saddest part about separation is...
two people that once loved each other,
from the moment of breaking up,
one becomes the perpetrator and one becomes the victim.
The perpetrator is the one who brings up separation first.
The victim is the one who gets left.
(Perpetrator is one who brings up separation. Victim is one who is left.)
I would like to lift a banner of revolt here.
Actually, in separation...
the concept of a perpetrator and a victim cannot exist.
It's no one's fault.
This is the domain of emotions.
Love is actually...
giving permission...
to be hurt by another person.
- Love is giving permission to be hurt by another person. - That's right.
That's deep.
I have a breakup story that actually turned into a song.
There's a song that Yoon Jong-shin wrote after hearing my story.
- Which one? - "Parting Taxi".
- Oh! - Oh!
That's actually my story.
- Really? - Yes.
Where should I go, sir?
What is that?
- Awesome. - At the time, she was working.
I was in the army. It was during my break.
This is harsh.
On a road that I take her home on every day, she turned around at me and said,
"I don't want to struggle anymore."
What those words meant to me was...
our relationship this whole time...
has been a burden on her.
I couldn't hold onto her.
I got in a taxi to go home,
tears exploded in that moment.
- We really broke up. - Am I your...
first crying customer?
So I told that story to Yoon Jong-shin.
- The song that came from that was "Parting Taxi". - I didn't know.
The first lyrics that Jong-shin wrote were quite different.
"My tears are flowing,"
and "The horse is running."
- The horse is this one. - Oh, the horse in the taxi.
(The horse in the taxi meter)
Jong-shin's lyrics were, "Am I your first crying customer?"
"Sir, do you charge extra at this time?" stuff like that.
That's totally my style.
I was like, "What is this?"
The happiness and pain that we feel from love,
joy and sadness, all these things are...
live proof that we are living and breathing right now.
That's why I truly believe that we should accept love...
without the fear of separation or pain.
(Love without the fear of separation.)
That's all I have for today.
(Love without fear.)
Does anyone have any concerns about relationships or anything? Yes?
- I think separation is difficult no matter what. - It is.
But in your opinion,
what's the wisest way to deal with separation?
If there's a method to deal with it, what would it be?
Everyone here is thinking "Best way to breakup".
What are you trying to be the best at everything?
Everyone becomes a fool when breaking up,
we become nasty, cheap. That's what it is.
Separation brings out parts of ourselves that isn't so great.
whether I'm the one dumping or the one getting dumped.
But there is one bad thing about this.
For example, a few months after you break up,
the person who broke up with you texts you late at night,
"Are you sleeping?" or...
- "What's up?" - "Are you doing well?" They kind of lift you up.
It can give false hope.
That's one thing that I really believe...
shouldn't happen after separation.
I think "Are you sleeping?" sounds a bit desperate and fake, so I say "Y'all sleep?"
Mix in a bit of humor.
It sounds less cheesy, "Y'all sleep?"
- Y'all sleepin'? - Y'all sleepin'?
(What does that even mean?)
- I'm a high school student. - Okay.
You know the discipline administrator in high school?
He won't allow dating within our school.
What do you think about students dating?
It's a great thing.
(It's a great thing.)
My mother who passed said this,
"It's really hard to find..."
"the pure heart of a young love."
I used to wait for this one girl in front of the study room.
On Valentine's day, I ran for an hour and a half...
because I didn't have taxi fare.
Please say something to this teacher.
Sir, you need to start dating yourself. That's what I want to tell him.
(So refreshing)
Life is short.
I've never been in a romantic relationship before.
- Sure. - When considering a mate,
what is the most important thing to look at?
First of all, never say with your own mouth...
that you have never been in a relationship. Don't declare that.
That's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
It'll happen the way you proclaim.
When you introduce yourself, try to avoid that part.
When you look at someone,
pay attention to how much your heart pounds. That's the most important.
(The truth of the heart)
Thank you.
This tells you everything. You don't need anything else.
That's right.
I'm back together with my boyfriend after breaking up.
I'm so scared that we'll break up again for the same reason.
- You probably will break up for the same reason. - Really?
(Oh my)
So we have been trying to match each other to make it work,
but it's hard to get in touch with my boyfriend.
The moment you have to try for your relationship, that relationship is over.
The fact that you are trying means you're overdoing it.
It may work for some time,
but it's realistically it'll be difficult to make that last.
- Was that too harsh? - Yes.
(As the harsh consultations came to an end...)
You scared me.
(everyone arrives in the busking zone.)
With Im Kyung-seon's busking, we have successfully...
concluded our busking. She just got back together with her boyfriend...
and she asked you and you say they'll break up again. She asks, "Why?"
We were all saying the same thing upstairs.
It may break your heart, but it's real.
- Oh my goodness! - Please!
- There she is. - You said you can't get in touch with him.
- Yes. - Please stop meeting him.
All right! The final collection for As We Say in 2017...
was in total 329 dollars.
That means 329 people have gathered their hearts together.
Concluding our 18th speech performance today,
how much did these buskers gather together?
Could you be more curious?
- Wow! - We're curious!
She was our first busker.
Sandara Park's...
busking collection amount is...
I'm nervous.
- Wow, this is incredible. - She's 2NE1. She's a hallyu star.
It's 46 dollars! Wow!
(Relieved)
That's incredible.
- That's really incredible. - It is.
- Thank you. - That's one of the highest amounts.
The start is too good. From there, it's our second busker.
What was the collection amount for Seo Jang-hoon...
Of course, Seo Celeb.
(The accumulated amount with Seo Celeb is...)
It's 80 dollars! Wow!
It's the combined amount.
- Combined? - Yes.
- Of course it's combined. - Combined?
- It's combined. - Not on my own?
- It's combined. - Combined.
No one knows this.
It's hard to know who gathered exactly how much.
All right! What is the accumulated amount with Im Kyung-seon?
Coming up next!
- They're not falling for it now. - Wow.
- They won't fall for it now. - We didn't say the total collected yet, right?
We will be announcing the amount shortly.
- They're not falling for it now. - Wow.
We will be announcing the amount shortly.
The time for As I say to say goodbye has already come.
If one day you happen to run into us on the street,
how will you greet us?
- Ha Hee-yeol! - Ha Hee-yeol!
Nice. Next week as well...
- As I say! - As I say!
- Thank you! - Thank you!
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(it's the ace Lucky.)
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("Goodbye" by 2NE1)
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